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You Are Not Your Brain | Dr. Caroline Leaf on Who's Actually Driving

July 21, 2026
44 min

Dr. Caroline Leaf, a cognitive neuroscientist and early neuroplasticity researcher, makes the case that you are not your brain. You have a mind that does the driving, plus a five-step method for rewiring the thoughts that keep you stuck.

Show Notes & Chapters

What if the idea that your brain runs the show has it backwards? Dave and Luke sit down with Dr. Caroline Leaf, a cognitive neuroscientist, bestselling author, and one of the earliest researchers to study neuroplasticity back in the 1980s.

Together they unpack one freeing idea: you are not your brain. You have a mind, and the mind is the one doing the driving. Dr. Leaf draws on decades of clinical work to explain why labels rarely tell the whole story, how she built her neurocycle method, and why quick fixes tend to fall apart while a patient, repeatable practice holds.

Chapters

  • 00:00 Introducing Dr. Caroline Leaf. Dave and Luke introduce Dr. Leaf and her central idea that the mind and the brain are not the same thing, and why that distinction matters.
  • 05:44 From Brain Injury to Neuroplasticity Pioneer. Dr. Leaf shares her origin story working with brain-injury patients in the 1980s and how it led her to where she is now.
  • 15:37 The Brain That Bounces Back. Dr. Leaf makes the case that addiction is not simply a disease, and that the brain can begin to heal the moment real change starts.
  • 23:51 The 63-Day Rewire. Dr. Leaf lays out her five-step method for actually changing thought patterns, and where most people go wrong.
  • 39:30 Final Takeaways. A look at Dr. Leaf’s latest book and her closing message for anyone looking to change their thoughts and behaviors.

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